you have poor education you have communities broken apart and creates perfect storm and culture in this country almost the norm and we have become immune to it we can't get immune to children dying in our streets. >> bill: all right. in cities like new york and some other towns across the country, the murder rate is coming down. all right? it's not as bad as it used to be. >> right. >> bill: and a variety of reasons for that community policing, come stat, the computer. in chicago it's going the other way. so there must be something in the windy city, is it gang, narcotic violence? is that's what's going on there? is that what is driving this stuff. >> i think gangs is part of it. we have a new police chief now. i think he is doing a good job bringing about a lot of new strategies. proliferation of guns. there is more guns than there are computers. that's an issue. we had have to break this code of silence where people are afraid to speak up. we have got to get communities engaged and empowered again. police can do a piece of the problem. police are one piece of the problem. communities